Comments on: She’s Right Because She’s Wrong.

By: e_voyager

e_voyager — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 23:14:07 +0000

@The_rippy_one We have been working on organic computer for at least a Decade so i believe that the ideal that computers having organic parts would be common place in the future. bio androids like Melfina from outlaw star as opposed to cyborgs like robocop or cyborg from the teen titans. probably possible for them to have a soul but it’s not necessary once they are fully built and functional.

By: Sulucamas

Sulucamas — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:59:20 +0000

@Josh.C: Righto! :) @The_Rippy_One: Oh gee... I hadn't thought of it like that, but of course it makes sense that some Whimsy could/would modify a person's mind. At that point, all bets are off! xD I'd be really interested, then, in what happens when they leave its area of effect. :(

By: Josh.C

Josh.C — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:13 +0000

@The_Rippy_One: I think it was let out somewhere that Siege might have a small amount of organic material from her actual brain somewhere. Not sure if my memory is playing tricks on me, but Jigsaw reading her mind when Siege was trying to drain the glitter tank at least confirms that Siege has a mind…A living mind in one form or another.

By: The_Rippy_One

The_Rippy_One — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:20:18 +0000

@E: Though the same page does say that you need organics to have a soul, I’d point out (in support of your theory) it doesn’t say how much or in what context. I’d further note that I’d be shocked if certain machines didn’t carry around a healthy dose of carbon fiber nanotubes, and sidenote in that silicon is considered a viable material to build a critter around (having enough properties in common with carbon to be a functional substitute, though such a creature would require higher energy inputs to be viable. We think…working on it!)

Do you suppose Seige’s sudden shift into being an AI was caused by her hitting some critical limit of carbon and getting soul’d by accident (assuming she isn’t just nuts)? Given how Djinn work, and that Celeste can soul-rip, I would be surprised if there was free floating soul matter around for such an accident on occasion…

But if Seige starts answering to Caroline…I’ll probably go cry in a corner…darn it Glados, even if it was a lie, it was a jerk thing to lie about.

By: e_voyager

e_voyager — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:37:28 +0000

I think robots and machines don’t need soul once built but they probably can still have souls http://www.lastres0rt.com/2007/10/bonus-comic-still/ it doesn’t say specifically that they can’t have them just that they don’t need them

By: The_Rippy_One

The_Rippy_One — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:22:22 +0000

Actually, in that scenario, I’d assume that Star Org came after him initially because one of his patients was a Whimser, and the good doctor refused to turn over his patients. Whimser then over-writes Gabe’s knowledge in order to be “just another patient” to maintain the scenario. Gabe, remembering the attack in general, but not the cause, assumes his clinic is being persecuted for “reasons,” which he then tries to figure out. Each time the Whimser comes up, Gabe loses the related chunk of memory. Gabe’s POV would look pretty nuts now, and its only the Whimser’s bone-deep belief in his/her/whatever doctor’s sanity that’s keeping him on the rails…

By: Sulucamas

Sulucamas — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:37:02 +0000

@The_Rippy_One: It’d be awesome if Peloton was the Whimser, but wouldn’t it need a soul to generate Whimsy? 😮

I may have stretched things a bit by implying that Whimsy will be dictated by what the Whimser thinks. While that might actually still be the case, they aren’t supposed to be able to control it, and I could see a situation where the Whimser finds the changes that happen around them inexplicable. I’d just thought that if the same weird thing happened ALL THE TIME, you might start to consider it normal.

The timing of the changes we saw might have been the result of the Whimsy finally overcoming some kind of inherent resistance to change in the affected objects after having acted passively on everyone and everything since they boarded the ship. Like a plunger, finally popping (back) into shape. 😛

That God-Kyon scenario makes a whole lot of sense, though it seems like it’d require the Whimser being with Gabriel since he started hunting Star Org ships in order for him to be fully deceived. …Maybe Gabriel went insane while being slowly killed by barnacles? xD

By: The_Rippy_One

The_Rippy_One — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:15:32 +0000

@Sul: His smartframe AI, for one…though frankly it could be any of his original patients – the process for becoming a Whismer doesn’t sound like it lends itself to clear and rational thought…

Huh, that’s actually an interesting – Seige’s transformation always bugged me – why that shape, and why then? If you’ve put it accurately, then its because the Whismer believes that its the proper shape for an AI…which argues rather strongly for Gabe being it, I guess…but, that timing…was it because that was the first time the Whismer laid eyes on her properly?

I’ll toss a counter argument, just to be a contrarian 😉 You could be looking at a God-Kyon scenario, where the Whismer’s (one of Gabe’s patients) influence is only oriented towards the creation (and maintenance) of the status quo, and sub-consciously at that, and Gabe get’s all the active stuff because the Whismer believes he does/should (as a form of dependency, in which the patient believes the doctor has total power over their condition and state). Gabe wouldn’t be delusional in this scenario, so much as he’s a victim of being overwritten on a regular basis so he doesn’t notice any contradictions or inconsistencies.

By: Sulucamas

Sulucamas — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:44:05 +0000

@The_Rippy_One: Who knows, maybe it does have some effect. And with the bling it put on their guns, I wouldn't rule out Twilight sparkling entirely. ;) My favorite part about all this Whimsy business is that, just as crazy people think they're sane, Whimsers think that everything around them is just as it should be. If it somehow isn't Gabriel himself, who's he been around "for years" that's kept him from being killed by the barnacles?

By: The_Rippy_One

The_Rippy_One — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:37:49 +0000

Not only are there tags, but they seem functional! Thanks Jig’!

@Sul: probably, but if Gabe is the Whismer, then I thought maybe using the power might have done something. Like, how you aren’t supposed to handle mind-altering substances while pregnant. How does the Whismer production process work, anyways? Gabe doesn’t sparkle in the sunlight, so it isn’t sweated out…*I want to make a Twilight joke…but it’s to awkward*